Community talk:Hub/Oasis: Difference between revisions

So anyways, to answer Rodney's(/Sannse's) concerns:

:*''Wow, can someone really be this stupid? If you want to move to another site, you have absolutely no right to say what happens to the community (and more relevantly, the content) that you're leaving behind.''

- The community that we created built this content. The staff that we left in charge have the authority to do this, and they did. They are still here, so you can't just revert things.

:*''If you want a modding wiki, start a new one. You can't possibly expect to change the subject of this one, delete most of the content and get away with it.''

- I don't know if you know this "Rodney", but modding is much more popular than general information. If wikia took this up as a modding site it would make them more money then GTW did. If they allowed the mod wiki to link to us, we would link GTW to them, giving them even more money and making everybody happy.

:*''Say whatever you want but that's the most transparent attempt at eliminating the competition that I have ever seen and I hope you weren't expecting to fool anyone.''

- We're not trying to fool anyone. We don't get paid for this. We are '''losing''' money by hosting ourselves. Wikia is trying to fool everyone with their optimism towards the new skin. They make money from it. We still don't make money from it and it makes things worse for us. What would you do in that situation?

:*''Free content is a fundamental principle of wikis and your threats to sue are frankly laughable.''

- This wiki's name, design, set up, practices, rules, principals and style are all copyright to Gboyers. Sueing is not laughable. If you ''are'' Sannse I assume you are just saying this because it would be ''Company vs Individuals''.

:*''I've been a long time reader of this wiki and sympathised with your position - indeed I prefer the old skin and would have moved to the new site.''  

- Then why don't you then? You don't understand that, as Gboyers explained, this is not just about the skin.

:*''But then you seemed to completely lose your mind, vandalised this wiki and are now spouting utter rubbish that is so ridiculously and obviously nonsense that there's really no need to address individual points.''  

- We are not vandalising this wiki, just changing it into a modding one. As Gboyers explained, the pages that were deleted were from the "Business" category. Fictional in-game businesses and picture-only scenery has no use in a modding wiki, it even has no use in GTW. But we kept it and are still keeping it on the new wiki, as many users support it still being there. Another show of us '''listening to the community'''.

:*''I think I'll stick with the sane guys, even if the skin will take some getting used to.''  

- Sanity is a point of view. We here at GTW think that wikia staff have compleatley lost their minds by making this skin mandatory. While they think that wikis and users who leave are insane because they don't give the skin a chance. It's not a matter of "Getting used to it" it's a matter of wikias broken promises and monmey driven regime that is concerning us.  

:*''I wouldn't be surprised if that's how most of the readers and lurkers feel, but I'm sure you can see for yourself with the visitor stats on your new domain.''  

- Actually, the visitor stats have been getting bigger by the thousand every day. We are slowly regaining our original userbase and this site has about 5 edits every five hours.

:*''Good luck with your site but please leave us alone. You don't speak for us and as far as I'm concerned, good riddance.''  

- The "us" is the community, and we speak for you. We know we can't please '''everybody''' in the community, and we're not going to change everything just because one user strongly disagrees and all others strongly agree, that would be unfair and illogical.

:*''What, you're trying to say this is simply a staffing problem? I'm sure there's plenty of people willing to help look after this wiki.''  

- No, that is not our problem, but is one of them. If wikia lets some random (as all dedicated users have left with us) adopt this wiki, they will take credit for all the previous communities hard work and the work all the staff put in. Does that really seem fair?

:*''Look, it's as simple as this: if you no longer wish to stay here, sod off and stop sabotaging it for people that do.''  

- Abuse does not help. I can't believe Sannse(/you) did not bring that up in here comment. As explained above, we're not sabotaging it. You have wiki that's '''exactly the same'' to go to at www.grandtheftwiki.com. We are simply changing this into a modding wiki and deleting pages irrelevent to the subject.

:*''Yes, of course it'd be better as a single wiki but it's too late for that - you've already made the wiki fork into two wikis.''  

- Our purpouse was not to fork the wikis. We thought wikia would care about the communinity and let us change this wiki into a modding one. We were wrong.

:*''Users will now have to visit two sites or choose one wiki over the other. And over time, the latter is inevitable.''  

- The modding wiki eleminates this problem. One wiki can be visited for modding info, and the other can be visited for general info. It's that easy.

:*''But that still doesn't mean you get to choose for us. We, as individual visitors, get to choose which wiki we go to.''  

- We're not stopping you. You have an entirerly identical wiki to go to. You still keep '''all of your contributions, edit count ect''' on the new wiki. So there are no problems!

:*''And as much as I hate the new skin, the way you lot have been behaving, you've done Wikia a massive favour by making them look like the lesser evil.''  

- This is totally untrue. We've done all we can through nice talk. Now we have to get serious. It's not right to let wikia treat '''anyone''' this way. Especially dedicated admins.

Anyways, I am ashamed. Not with you, but with the direction you (as in wikia, not just you personally) are taking wikia and the way you are doing it. I have been editing here for almost two years. I have learnt so much and I thought that this great bunch of kind, helpful and friendly staff, that handeled even the most annoying and tedious jobs for me without complaint, would never change from the wonderful way they worked. I was wrong, you have shown me that even the best of people can be changed by money. Money is the root of all evil as they say. Anyways, I know you don't care about us little guys, so I doubt that I am going to bother anymore. Have fun sleeping on a bed paid for by the hours of tireless work of wikia contributors that you owe your liveleyhoods too and have ridiculed. We ask for one simple thing for all the money we've made you, and you ignore and ban us. You have just lost one of the most professional and least vandalised wikis on wikia. You have just lost dedicated admins, users and respect.

I do hope that you are happy.'''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 06:26, October 19, 2010 (UTC)