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{{Gripe}} I read that you can do missions outside of liberty city,where????
{{Gripe}} I read that you can do missions outside of liberty city,where????
{{Rebut}}You can't. Liberty City is surrounded by water. You can take a chopper and fly out into the ocean, but you can fly forever, and will find nothing. Sorry man. The place you read it from is false.


{{Gripe}} Whenever a mission has you chasing another vehicle, they run on a rail. Shooting out their tires does nothing, they still take square 90 degree angle turns at 100 MPH+. You can't catch up to them to ram or PIT them as they'll automatically go into over drive and match your speed. There's no incentive to engage in a good high speed chase since you'll suffer at turns and they won't. And motorcycle chases aren't fun since the AI target can't get into an accident or spin out after their tires are shot out, it actually REPAIRS ITSELF while they speed down the road.
{{Gripe}} Whenever a mission has you chasing another vehicle, they run on a rail. Shooting out their tires does nothing, they still take square 90 degree angle turns at 100 MPH+. You can't catch up to them to ram or PIT them as they'll automatically go into over drive and match your speed. There's no incentive to engage in a good high speed chase since you'll suffer at turns and they won't. And motorcycle chases aren't fun since the AI target can't get into an accident or spin out after their tires are shot out, it actually REPAIRS ITSELF while they speed down the road.
{{Rebut}}Strange, I never experienced that problem. The AI vehicles behaved just as mine did.


===Vehicles===
===Vehicles===
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::{{Gripe}}I thought GTA IV was about "realism." I guarantee firing a shotgun shell at the windowsill of a car in real-life will not cause it to catch fire.
::{{Gripe}}I thought GTA IV was about "realism." I guarantee firing a shotgun shell at the windowsill of a car in real-life will not cause it to catch fire.
:::{{Rebut}}If GTA was realistic you would go to jail after your first kill and stay there.
:::{{Rebut}}If GTA was realistic you would go to jail after your first kill and stay there.
{{Gripe}}(Responding to above)The fact that cars still explode unrealistically is proof that GTAIV isn't a realistic game.


{{Gripe}}No car surfing! In previous GTA games you could stowaway on top of a moving vehicle and ride it to it's destination. Now, if you stand or squat on top of a vehicle and it moves, you tumble off like a quadriplegic. Not very realistic.
{{Gripe}}No car surfing! In previous GTA games you could stowaway on top of a moving vehicle and ride it to it's destination. Now, if you stand or squat on top of a vehicle and it moves, you tumble off like a quadriplegic. Not very realistic.
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{{Gripe}}No remote controlled vehicles (rc-car/plane etc).
{{Gripe}}No remote controlled vehicles (rc-car/plane etc).


{{Gripe}}No go cart.
{{Gripe}}No go cart. Not even a go-cart attraction.


{{Gripe}}The [[Quad]] is absent.
{{Gripe}}The [[Quad]] is absent.
:{{Rebut}}Not a lot of people would be driving a Quad on the beach in NYC, would they.
:{{Rebut}}Not a lot of people would be driving a Quad on the beach in NYC, would they.
{{Gripe}}Actually, NYC beaches are popular places to go quad racing at night.


{{Gripe}}Most vehicles are very rare like the [[Infernus]] which you get only one chance to own, and never see again.
{{Gripe}}Most vehicles are very rare like the [[Infernus]] which you get only one chance to own, and never see again.
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::{{Gripe}}There's several variations of the NRG900: NRG900, NRG900F, NRG900RR, but that's it. The PCJ600 is old and not as fast, and doesn't look like a sportbike.
::{{Gripe}}There's several variations of the NRG900: NRG900, NRG900F, NRG900RR, but that's it. The PCJ600 is old and not as fast, and doesn't look like a sportbike.
:::{{Rebut}} NRG 900, Zombie, PCJ600, Faggio
:::{{Rebut}} NRG 900, Zombie, PCJ600, Faggio
::::{{Gripe}}He's talking about sport bikes. The Faggio, Sanchez (counts as the dirt bike), Zombie and PCJ 600 does not count as sport bikes. Too slow and it has very little use to race. The PCJ 600's speed becomes unstable at high speeds. The [[FCR-900]] and the [[BF-400]] are two sports bikes in [[GTA SA]] and [[Rockstar Games]] removed it without even explaining why.
::::{{Gripe}}He's talking about sport bikes. The Faggio, Sanchez (counts as the dirt bike), Zombie and PCJ 600 do not count as sport bikes. Too slow and it has very little use to race. The PCJ 600's speed becomes unstable at high speeds. The [[FCR-900]] and the [[BF-400]] are two sports bikes in [[GTA SA]] and [[Rockstar Games]] removed it without even explaining why.


{{Gripe}}Roofs from vehicles doesn't get crushed when you roll over. There aren't any roll bars from any cars.
{{Gripe}}Roofs from vehicles doesn't get crushed when you roll over. There aren't any roll bars from any cars.
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:{{Rebut}}At least there are some! Compare GTA IV to its predecessors, except San Andreas, in terms of customizing your pro/antagonist. Also, GTA isn't exactly a 'silly' game.
:{{Rebut}}At least there are some! Compare GTA IV to its predecessors, except San Andreas, in terms of customizing your pro/antagonist. Also, GTA isn't exactly a 'silly' game.
::{{Gripe}}Actually GTA was always a silly and unrealistic series, and that was what made it fun. Flying airplanes despite having no training, wielding miniguns, surviving car crashes...that was the best part of GTA, and GTA IV just removes all that. Its a bold step, but I guarantee GTA IV would be a lot more fun if the police were a lot stupider, unrealistic weapons were brought back and the physics were toned down a lot.
::{{Gripe}}Actually GTA was always a silly and unrealistic series, and that was what made it fun. Flying airplanes despite having no training, wielding miniguns, surviving car crashes...that was the best part of GTA, and GTA IV just removes all that. Its a bold step, but I guarantee GTA IV would be a lot more fun if the police were a lot stupider, unrealistic weapons were brought back and the physics were toned down a lot.
{{Gripe}}The Coney Island Theme Park is unusable, and there are no theme parks elsewhere in the city.


{{Gripe}}The airplanes at Francis International Airport are stuck in an eternal taxiing loop: they never take off, and no planes ever land, which detracts heavily from the purported realism of the game. They're invincible also, which is annoying and detracts even more from realism. There.
{{Gripe}}The airplanes at Francis International Airport are stuck in an eternal taxiing loop: they never take off, and no planes ever land, which detracts heavily from the purported realism of the game. They're invincible also, which is annoying and detracts even more from realism. There.
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{{Gripe}}The city is grossly under populated. Go to Star Junction at 9pm on a Friday Night and it is deserted. 5pm on a Friday, there is some traffic, but for what it is supposed to be it just falls short again. There are more peds behind the flats in Northwood than in Star Junction. The report that Rockstar modeled the traffic on NYC is pure garbage. Living breathing city....not even close.
{{Gripe}}The city is grossly under populated. Go to Star Junction at 9pm on a Friday Night and it is deserted. 5pm on a Friday, there is some traffic, but for what it is supposed to be it just falls short again. There are more peds behind the flats in Northwood than in Star Junction. The report that Rockstar modeled the traffic on NYC is pure garbage. Living breathing city....not even close.
{{Gripe}}Especially since Times Square is supposed to have hundreds of thousands of people traveling through it at any given time. The game can handle more than 5 peds on screen, so why R* did what they did is a mystery.
{{Gripe}}Especially since Times Square is supposed to have hundreds of thousands of people and cars traveling through it at any given time. The game can handle more than 5 peds on screen, so why R* did what they did is a mystery.


{{Gripe}}The moving lights that appear on the streets at night while up in the air (probably to simulate traffic and save memory) are poorly plotted. They go in the wrong direction on the street, go diagonally and do weird things, making the feeling of a heavily populated city vanish.
{{Gripe}}The moving lights that appear on the streets at night while up in the air (probably to simulate traffic and save memory) are poorly plotted. They go in the wrong direction on the street, go diagonally and do weird things, making the feeling of a heavily populated city vanish.
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::::{{Rebut}}Go watch tv, apparently CJ is on there
::::{{Rebut}}Go watch tv, apparently CJ is on there
:::::{{Gripe}}Picture please?
:::::{{Gripe}}Picture please?
:::::{{Rebut}}He probably means San Andreas. Clips of CJ driving various cars, like the Hotring Racer, appear in the TV program "I'm Rich".
:::::{{Rebut}}He probably means San Andreas. Clips of CJ driving various cars around Los Santos Airport, like the Hotring Racer, appear in the TV program "I'm Rich".


{{Gripe}}Pedestrian conversations are repetitive and are no where near as funny as they used to be.
{{Gripe}}Pedestrian conversations are repetitive and are no where near as funny as they used to be.
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:{{Rebut}}And they have multiple cops firing lots of bullets to shoot your tires down to stop you from running away.
:{{Rebut}}And they have multiple cops firing lots of bullets to shoot your tires down to stop you from running away.


{{Gripe}}Somehow, an LCPD Crown Victoria can keep up with an Infernus that is easily twice as fast. And then they can't keep up with a slow municipal bus.
{{Gripe}}Somehow, an LCPD Cruiser can keep up with an Infernus that is easily twice as fast. And then they can't keep up with a slow municipal bus.


{{Gripe}}Cops don't deploy spike strips, or utilize special pursuit vehicles for highspeed chases.
{{Gripe}}Cops don't deploy spike strips, or utilize special pursuit vehicles for highspeed chases. Nor do they cordon off areas to trap the player.  


{{Gripe}}No matter how hard players try to get away from the police's radius, cops seem to spawn near the player's vehicle. Hiding is nearly impossible, even on secluded areas.
{{Gripe}}No matter how hard players try to get away from the police's radius, cops seem to spawn near the player's vehicle. Hiding is nearly impossible, even on secluded areas.
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:::{{Rebut}}There is a way, albeit kind of a cheap one.  If you have Playboy X's safe house, you can fly low over the roof and bail out onto the balcony.  Then you can run inside and save your game, which should clear your wanted level.
:::{{Rebut}}There is a way, albeit kind of a cheap one.  If you have Playboy X's safe house, you can fly low over the roof and bail out onto the balcony.  Then you can run inside and save your game, which should clear your wanted level.


{{Gripe}}Cops somehow manage to stay alive even after multiple gunshots, and their weapons do more damage to the player.
{{Gripe}}Cops somehow manage to stay alive even after multiple gunshots, and their weapons do more damage to the player. They seem to be bullet sponges, and still get up after a full magazine from an AK has been shot into them at medium range.
:{{Rebut}}Some of them have body armor. As members of a police force they would have superior weapons and training.
:{{Rebut}}Some of them have body armor. As members of a police force they would have superior weapons and training.
::{{Gripe}}I don't think beat cops wear body armor, and their weapons are exactly the same as the ones the player can use.
::{{Gripe}}I don't think beat cops wear body armor, and their weapons are exactly the same as the ones the player can use.
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